I ran into the highest expression of liberal intellectual pursuits; by being trolled to stop my free speech rights on steemit!

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Steemit has a vulnerability called the downvote. There are people that contribute Nothing, that spend their time downvoting what they don't agree with. Instead of replying with their opinion, to promote debate, they downvote with no comment. They loose their ability to sway the posting account holder, and contribute nothing to steemit!

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Look at their accounts, and they have posted Nothing. Dig a little deeper and you usually find that this "account" and others are all owned by someone else, who wants to hide like a cockroach; but still attack his intellectual superiors. Since he is unable to debate his point successfully, he just downvotes with his clone accounts to hide the post that he does not agree with!

Some even think there is something "Noble" about limiting some one else's free speech! This is probably from their inability to compete, intellectually, with the person they are attacking!

I was attacked yesterday, in this fashion by a downvoting coward.
https://steemit.com/informationwar/@smithlabs/our-attorney-general-william-barr-explains-the-war-liberals-have-with-president-trump-and-his-constitutional-powers

This was a good post with a lot of truth, including Legal Constitutional backing. It is now "hidden" because of a steemit downvoting troll! I would have respected him if he had shown the conviction and courage to debate me with facts, but there is Nothing, just a downvote!

I have never before asked for upvotes in all the years I have been on steemit, but I would like to see enough upvotes to over ride this troll, and make this post visible for public debate again! I can't tell how many cloned accounts downvoted me, but I would bet a cup of coffee that they are all from the same person, and have no postings between the lot!

This is a Huge mistake on steemit's part, and needs to be corrected! On person, one account would be a start, and limiting downvotes as a percentage of your accounts (so they must add value to steemit) would be a good change!



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Still that post is visible on other front ends like partiko. I get downvotes sometimes it's annoying for sure.

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If they commented it would be better, and If they debated, I would respect them. This is just liberal cowardice, and bullying. Makes me glad I am mostly elsewhere....

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Yes it would be a good thing if they commented.

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Liberals usually can't debate. Trolls are a special breed of cowards.

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But you are missing the point to what he is trying to say.

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The point being that Downvoting is Censorship, but that isn't the point, it's that Downvotes are Ivil, no, that's not the point either because he wouldn't be against someone Expressing themselves, but then again it's probably that Downvotes are Evil because he is so hurt by someone else expressing themselves as such, or maybe the fucktard point is that that someone choosing to express themselves as such is wrong or evil or should be banned, because ban the boo, but maybe just maybe it was none of those and then I'd ask... what point was he Attempting and Failing to say?

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Excessive Flags?

Are you asking me in regards to people who possibly flag excessively?

Free-DUMB

For the record, people can flag if they want. Freedom lol.

Morality

I'm not here to debate the morality of flagging or not flagging.

Censorship

Did you say flagging is censorship? I would say it might be. I try not to flag. I try not to murder people as well.

Bad Decisions

Some people make bad choices. I like to talk about stuff.

Raise Awareness

If I see a problem, then I want to raise awareness of that. Steem has a flagging system.

Facebook Flagging System

It reminds me of the flagging system on Facebook.

Salvation Army Flagging System

Back in the early 2010's, if not prior to that, I would write about the problems that the Facebook and The Salvation Army flagging systems have.

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The point being Excessive Flags I guess? Btw

Facebook Flagging System
It reminds me of the flagging system on Facebook.

Yeah, this comment box reminds me a lot of facebook comment box too, Heck, at least Steem did something right with that, right?

So the problem is Excessive Downvoting though? Before you answer that, I see you think flagging might be censorship, would you consider this case censorship, and if so, is it censorship even when it's effectively not suppressing at this much excess of censure, and if so, at what excess of flagging does it become censorship, but really, never mind that, that stuff is aight for another day, because i TOO try not to murder people (don't make stopid yoda joke about there is no try).

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Drunk Yoda Time:

Yoda was way too old to understand how subtle life is.

Objectivity vs Subjectivity

There are absolute objective truth nuggets out there. Humans can often be lost in subjectivity. I sometimes choose to use subjective wording in order to appeal to people who are unable to grasp objectivity.

Appealing to Crowds

So, I try to appeal by being extremely vague by suggesting a move in the right direction.

Private Property

It comes partly down to private property rights. Therefore, there are several different issues that we are dealing with all at the same time. We have probably talked a bit about some of this before.

What is Censorship?

Censorship, for example, is and is not several different things depending on how you define it.

X-File Truth is Out There

Again, I believe in objectivity, meaning I'm not trying to sound subjective. Rather, I'm trying to describe how people sometimes use different words to describe different things.

Different Definitions & Applications

So, censorship is one of those words that different people sometimes hijack and perhaps redefine.

Specific vs General

Again, it depends on how specific or how general you want to be with these terms. It really does come down to what it might mean to censor. I prefer freedom over safety.

Mind Your Business

So, you should have the right to do what you want with what you own to the extent it doesn't interfere with the rights of others.

Applying Priciples

How those principles applies to the Internet is very tricky because it depends on who owns which things on the Internet.

Who Owns The Internet?

Yes, people can own physical and tangible hardware, computers, servers, phones, laptops, devices, hard drives, etc.

Who Owns Electricity?

But what about the actual electricity? Well, technically, some might argue and say that power plants and power companies own the electricity and that people rent it as they pay for their monthly electricity bills. I'm not saying that is true. However, if that was true, then perhaps they own the Internet in the sense that they own the data that is running around the world wide web.

Data Soup

But then the data goes to different jurisdictions, different countries, different places, globally. So, the waves, electrical currents, volts, watts, energy, radio waves, signals, packets, etc, are running around the Internet almost like cancer.

Drop in the Ocean?

Uploading a picture onto the Internet is like dumping a drop of water into the ocean. Where is your drop of water now?

Tracking Air?

It can be hard to track and find the water or oxygen. We can talk for days about how complex the Internet is. Now, some people may like flagging systems. Perhaps, if people vote for flagging systems, and perhaps if that is what they want, then power to the people to some extent maybe, as long as that is what they want lol. Baby Yoda is cute. Is flagging the same as censorship? I do not know the answer to that question. I do not know a lot. I like asking questions and trying to figure things out.

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Drunk Yoda Time:
Yoda was way too old to understand how subtle life is.
Objectivity vs Subjectivity
There are absolute objective truth nuggets out there. Humans can often be lost in subjectivity. I sometimes choose to use subjective wording in order to appeal to people who are unable to grasp objectivity.
Appealing to Crowds
So, I try to appeal by being extremely vague by suggesting a move in the right direction.
Private Property
It comes partly down to private property rights. Therefore, there are several different issues that we are dealing with all at the same time. We have probably talked a bit about some of this before.
What is Censorship?
Censorship, for example, is and is not several different things depending on how you define it.
X-File Truth is Out There
Again, I believe in objectivity, meaning I'm not trying to sound subjective. Rather, I'm trying to describe how people sometimes use different words to describe different things.
Different Definitions & Applications
So, censorship is one of those words that different people sometimes hijack and perhaps redefine.
Specific vs General
Again, it depends on how specific or how general you want to be with these terms. It really does come down to what it might mean to censor. I prefer freedom over safety.
Mind Your Business
So, you should have the right to do what you want with what you own to the extent it doesn't interfere with the rights of others.
Applying Priciples
How those principles applies to the Internet is very tricky because it depends on who owns which things on the Internet.
Who Owns The Internet?
Yes, people can own physical and tangible hardware, computers, servers, phones, laptops, devices, hard drives, etc.
Who Owns Electricity?
But what about the actual electricity? Well, technically, some might argue and say that power plants and power companies own the electricity and that people rent it as they pay for their monthly electricity bills. I'm not saying that is true. However, if that was true, then perhaps they own the Internet in the sense that they own the data that is running around the world wide web.
Data Soup
But then the data goes to different jurisdictions, different countries, different places, globally. So, the waves, electrical currents, volts, watts, energy, radio waves, signals, packets, etc, are running around the Internet almost like cancer.
Drop in the Ocean?
Uploading a picture onto the Internet is like dumping a drop of water into the ocean. Where is your drop of water now?
Tracking Air?
It can be hard to track and find the water or oxygen. We can talk for days about how complex the Internet is.

Now, some people may like flagging systems. Perhaps, if people vote for flagging systems, and perhaps if that is what they want, then power to the people to some extent maybe, as long as that is what they want lol. Baby Yoda is cute. Is flagging the same as censorship? I do not know the answer to that question. I do not know a lot. I like asking questions and trying to figure things out.

The point was Excessive Flagging, the point that he utterly failed to express, but the real point isn't excessive flagging, but the real point is that he, you, and many others, view a completely harmless expression as no different than being Suppressed from Expressing yourselves, even though it never Suppresses you from Expressing that you are Feel Suppressed from Expressing, as many times as you Feel like Expressing, exactly like the hundreds if not thousands of posts that this leech has spammed over the course of a few months. This Expression is no different than someone Booing at someone else, but many idiots seem dead set to ban booing or to curb it, while they hypocritically lament about the erosion of freedom of expression. I could ask you simply, What about Steem Flagging reminds you of FB flagging, but we both know that you are the vague weaselly kind who'd only specify about everything and anything else but what about Steem Flagging reminds them of Facebook flagging. Your entire rigmarole that almost broached the subject of Flagging by implying something about proprety rights being violated

It really does come down to what it might mean to censor. I prefer freedom over safety.
Mind Your Business
So, you should have the right to do what you want with what you own to the extent it doesn't interfere with the rights of others.

And does it? Does flagging interfere with other's rights? And is Minding your business Demanding that others Express themselves sans Booing and when your demands are not meet, is it minding your business to resort to spamming? You don't seem to prefer freedom, you are here supporting and encouraging a relentless attack on other's expression. Your can ApPPPPppppply your principles now...

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Are you trying to put words in my mouth? Do you enjoy telling people that I said something I didn't say? Isn't that what they do to Trump?

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What are you talking about, trying to put words in your mouth etc?

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I do not know how to answer those questions because it depends on who owns electricity. It depends on who owns the Internet and different parts of the Internet. It depends on the debate on copyrights, patents, trademarks, etc. Again, it depends on so many different things. The ability to censor is like the ability to close your door. You have the right to close your door. However, if you are closing my door, that might be a problem. So, it comes back down to private property rights. If it is not yours, then it is not yours. However, it depends on who owns what. Now, flagging can violate private property rights. Flagging can be a form of democracy. However, I prefer a republic over a democracy. In conclusion, it all depends on so many different factors and it ultimately depends on who owns what.

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It doesn't matter who owns the electricity one bit. A vote for or against rewards for a particular contribution isn't predicated in the least on who owns the electricity.
It doesn't matter who owns the internet one bit, just like the irrelevance of who owns the electricity.

Voting for or against rewards for a particular contribution is also not predicated on Copyrights, patents, trademarks or any laws because voting for or against rewards is a fundamental part of a voluntary Tokenized Social Media Blockchain, and nobody is violating anyone else by choosing to vote FOR or AGAINST would be rewards. Nobody is Closing someone else's door either, so stop alluding to the crap about suppression of expression because clearly this is not suppression one bit when they can and do freely express that they feel suppressed as much and wherever they want and however they please. Flagging Cannot Violate Property rights. Stop Promulgating Grade A Nonsense.

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Hi @baah, long time no talk
When you say
''and nobody is violating anyone else by choosing to vote FOR or AGAINST would be rewards.''
I disagree with you wholeheartedly. And its not just about reward and you can not possibly claim with any seriousness, that I have not been censored, Every flag is an act of censorship to one degree or another, going from mild censorship to extremely severe censorship.

Just look at my account ! this is a violation against speaking truth about others being abused.

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Same thing happens with every single post this man and may others post......
https://steemit.com/informationwar/@mepatriot/if-you-think-what-this-bloom-turkey-does-to-my-blog-every-day-is-just-fine-go-ahead-don-t-help

I personally gave up on any form of free speech being possible on this platform, a while back..
Get together with mepatriot if you haven't already ;)

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@mepatriot is a good friend! Steemit's ignorant policy on downvotes is the reason I use steemit as my Secondary blockpost! I have tried to get mepatriot to move too, were it is safer. What they are doing to him should NOT be allowed!

I have done better elsewhere in a lot less time.

>:(

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I agree. I pretty much only use it for nextcolony and to support the very few like you and mepatriot. As little to nothing as my support is. There are so many other platforms out there that have far more justice than this. This is like going to a kids birthday party with a rich daddy.
With Steem you have to have Steem or any monkey with more Steem can silence the bad words that hurts them with a click..
Most have just left, and spread the word, as you suggest.
It was already bad then they just made it worse with the fork. This place is pure abuse unless you follow the mainstream narrative..

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Yes, I am at (81) and $34,000 on weku, after only a year. I am only here because I am hard headed.

I like @mepatriot and upvote him with my anemic steemit account, because I never liked Ignorant troll bullies!

This exodus has caused loss of quality content, and may finish steemit entirely.

>:(

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This exodus has caused loss of quality content, and may finish steemit entirely.

which is the goal, total submission...

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So it ends as a liberal echo chamber with steem worth half a penny.

I do most of my blogging on weku these days. Doing much better there....

:)>

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nice ! anything else beyond weku on your radar?

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Looking at starting a homesteading web site, concentrating on off grid energy production. Got two books started for it. One on solar, and one on growing medicinal herbs. I plan one on aquaponics later.

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LOL you people are great, a whole nook full of "Steem Sux Balls but I can't stop coming to Steem to talk about how Steem Sux Balls"

and lest we forget

#noMoreBoooing

#weku4ever and long rest in pieces #whaleshares

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We can't wait to see you again on steemnova ! do you plan to comeback? vacation mode maybe?

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LOL, good luck cashing out ONE CENT out of Weku. Lmao.

Muh Invest.

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The only reason I clicked on this post was because I thought you finally gave us a selfie.

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Was waiting for the one from you...LOL!

This troll problem worries me here on steemit. It will either be fixed or destroy steemit totally!

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Well, not if they just target a few people. Most people have no idea this is going on.

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Downvoting is a cancer, and should be demonitized 100%! It destroys contributors, and that weakens steemit. SBD was $0.81 when I joined, Now it is $0.21 last time I checked! So steemit is worth one fourth of what it was, and most people left because of this troll based downvoting. This exodus of contributors is the thing that will kill steemit!

A blockpost lives or dies on CONTENT; the more the better! The quality contributors that have left are the cause of a lot of the drop in steemit. I am hoping it has not passed the point of no return....

:'(

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I agree it sucks, and agree they should just demonitize it if they insist on having it. I don't think it has gone beyond the point of no return but another year should give us a good indication.

The last figures I saw a couple weeks ago were that posting was down 82% in the last year and overall activity was down 50%.

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Why spend an hour posting two hours of research, if some idiot can make it go away in ten seconds just because he is a snowflake with insane views?

Just not worth the effort....

CONTENT and postings, are the lifeblood here. Steemit could limit this, if they would just DO it!

We shall see, but I would be more comfortable if you were on weku too, as a backup plan!

I am posting every day to try to help, but I drew a troll myself; that objected to truth. The same troll that is after @mepatriot...SMH!

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Oh, is it that bloom guy who never comments? That is very frustrating. It only takes one big account to ruin a smaller account, that just ain't right. We should have free speech here.

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The "Bloom" is damaging steemit, and contributes NOTHING! Steemit needs to block accounts that spend their entire time in attack mode, and don't post or contribute.

Without free speech, steemit will not survive. But Weku doesn't allow this....

>:(

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I wonder if the people running this place know about people like that and what they're doing?

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I don't even know who to tell...but they should notice, if they are even here anymore!

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I'll ask around and see if there's a way to get some attention from the big influencers. I'm amazed that they hadn't found you long ago! The downvoters.

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They hate conservative content. This bloom guy is about the worst offender of the troll lot!

I plan on setting up a homesteading website. Maybe they will run me off, and give me time to do that. Every cloud has a silver lining....

:)>

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I think the people in charge like the downvoting system, they put it in place.

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They risk it all for the ability to censor what is supposed to be non censored!

>:(

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Yes, I've heard some of the Steemit inc. people talk about
Steemit being censorship free!

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That is total feces, downvoting IS whale censorship Here! IF they don't fix this, they will run off the content creators, and make steemit valueless.

Makes me glad glad I'm on weku too....

:'(

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yeah.

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Sad to see a good idea die with a whimper. But maybe they will pull it out before the impact, SMH!

:'(

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Nobody can make it go away. Intellectual Dishonesty is what you're doing, calling it an attack when someone simply booed at someone. You keep saying Steemit when I think you mean Steem, but calling content curated by default as Hidden (on one Frontend)/replaced with a "reveal" button that serves as a warning of Questionable Content Ahead as Removal or otherwise Suppression of Speech is Intellectual Dishonesty because No such Suppression of Speech happened and nobody was censored and nothing was removed, in fact, this so called:censorship: and :suppression: is so effective that incidentally no one was either Suppressed or Censored, Ever on Steem. Literally you Conceptualize that "downvoting" is the highest expression as you call it... and you want people to not be allowed to have such an expression, while you RALLY for freedom of Expression, but not without Name Calling and Stereotyping and Mind Reading others because of their Expression and calling for the End of their Expression.

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I want to bloom right in here and not speak the name of who downvoted me and me patriot, oh yes, that name. Probably the same account went after you as well. We need to zoom in and talk about it. Just bloom it up. But don't worry, I'm not going to say the name of that person. There are probably others as well.

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That is who attacked me too. I got enough support to over ride his kind attentions.

He is allergic to truth. A sad little liberal, what a terrible way to live!

:'(

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Some flowers bloom in the spring while others do not, pun intended, lol.

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Some flowers bloom in
The spring while others do not,
Pun intended, lol.

                 - joeyarnoldvn


I'm a bot. I detect haiku.

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And that genus is a blooming idiot? I Suspect you are right, ROFLOL!

You got Haikued, Nice, LOL! Cute bot.

:)>

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Funny.

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Yes it is, LOL!

These people need to be pitied for their ignorance and close mindedness. They have ensured that they will Never learn anything new, SMH!

:'(

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Some people never learn they say.

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He has a mind like a steel trap...rusted shut!

Nothing more closed minded, or intolerant, as a liberal!

>:(

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Like the harden heart of Pharaoh.

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When you work for the other side, you risk GOD's judgement!

Hard heart and all....

:'(

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Thanks for the support, guys. I can't use the other forum because you have to own a tracking device to do business there, and like my friend @smithlabs, I am stubborn when it comes to things like The First Amendment.

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Alway happy to help!

Get a burn phone, sign up, then remove the battery, LOL!

:)

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Steem is not Steemit.

Booing someone is not censoring them. Downvoting is indistinguishable in form and function from a Boo. There is absolutely no pre-requisite for Public Debate like you seem to imply, least that a post is "visible" on one (read Singular) of the many interference of the Steem Blockchain. You are calling for One Person One Account even though you haven't bothered to even consider the implications of that, and all the while you seemingly believe that downvotes are a vulnerability to Steemit (not steem). Even if you were talking about Steem though, it only speaks about how errand it is for you to talk about things you don't understand or cared to, because if you would, you would know the difference between Steemit and Steem, just like if you would have thought about the implications of your suggestion you wouldn't have made it, but alas, here you are talking to "Steemit" and pleading as if they give a fuck. Defend that faggot who spams the blockchain and slanders and calls for war with the platform he continues to use, accusing a Censorship Proof Platform of allowing people to censor, and plead with Steemit to fix Steem with Asinine and Unthoughtful as All fuck suggestions, I'm sure you're not being trolololollllloled

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Booing someone is not censoring them. Downvoting is indistinguishable in form and function from a Boo. There is absolutely no pre-requisite for Public Debate like you seem to imply, least that a post is "visible" on one (read Singular) of the many interference of the Steem Blockchain. You are calling for One Person One Account even though you haven't bothered to even consider the implications of that, and all the while you seemingly believe that downvotes are a vulnerability to Steemit (not steem). Even if you were talking about Steem though, it only speaks about how errand it is for you to talk about things you don't understand or cared to, because if you would, you would know the difference between Steemit and Steem, just like if you would have thought about the implications of your suggestion you wouldn't have made it, but alas, here you are talking to "Steemit" and pleading as if they give a fuck. Defend that faggot who spams the blockchain and slanders and calls for war with the platform he continues to use, accusing a Censorship Proof Platform of allowing people to censor, and plead with Steemit to fix Steem with Asinine and Unthoughtful as All fuck suggestions, I'm sure you're not being trolololollllloled

#booingshouldbebanned
#oneBooMovement
#downvotevictimsunite

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Congratulations @smithlabs!
Your post was mentioned in the Steem Hit Parade in the following category:

  • Comments - Ranked 8 with 49 comments
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Thank you for the help! This one touched a lot of nerves....

:)>

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You're welcome @smithlabs

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I worry for steemit over this one item. We are loosing too many contributors that get tired of this.

:'(

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Sure thing. Downvote is something I would like to see removed ... as curation and author rewards. I will post soon about it.

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Curation would get rid of the bots, so I like that.

Downvotes, if Severly Limited, might be okay. As it sits now, it is killing steemit!

Rewards are so small, I sometimes forget them.

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