Why We Need Wikipedia On Hive: It Is Now Pro- Establishment Propaganda
In the past, we discussed the idea of building a Wikipedia on Hive. This is something that utilizes the decentralize database offered by blockchain. Since Hive can store any text page, this is ideal for anytime of glossary or information repository.
Obviously, Wikipedia is a mammoth site. This was started in 2001 and grown to almost 6.7 million pages in just the English version. The entire database is more than 60 million pages.
The size of this is without question. What is starting is some debate is the service it provides. When it comes to an encyclopedia, how does it rank?
According to one of the co-founders, not very well.
Pro Establishment Propaganda
Larry Sanger was there at the beginning. He understands the vision, and the value, of a community driven resource. This is in keeping with the original ideals surrounding the Internet. The democratization of information was a primary goal.
While this happened to a degree, the tweet above shows how he feels about the direction it took. It is now part of the establishment, serving as mostly propaganda.
This is not surprising since that is what happens with most media outlets. Governments, or more accurately those in control, take over the message, pushing it upon the masses. After the face, people claim they did not know and that is somewhat true. The idea that people get brainwashed is easy to see.
Today, the establishment likes to use the term conspiracy theory. Of course, it is startling when these start to emerge as truth, noting how the mainstream message was indeed nothing more than propaganda.
Wikipedia is a centralized entity. This means it is susceptible to the influences of those wielding power. It can come in many different forms but, in the end, the result is the same.
Decentralized Solution
With Hive, anyone can post a page to the blockchain. This is where data can come from anyone no matter where they are in the world. Also, no permission is required to post. The servers are not run by a centralized company. Whatever is posted will reside on the blockchain.
Here is where the potential exists to create something outside the control of the establishment machine.
Instead of people going to Wikipedia to edit things, individuals interested in this can simply start adding content to the blockchain. This could some through a series of articles regarding a particular topic of interest. In fact, there need not be any correlation between the content.
Over time, as more people create databases, they can be merged into an application. This can pull the data from whatever accounts are participating. Suddenly, the Hive-o-pedia could have 10,000 pages in it. Then, a year late, maybe it is 100K. Perhaps it moves to 500K. And so on.
The point being that people can keep adding pages to their own database as time passes. All the data is at the base layer. This means that it is available to any application that wants to utilize it. If there was an "attack" on the first application, others could be set up. We really see the power of this if it is open source software.
Centralization = Power (Abuse)
We all know the establishment loves centralization. The hierarchical structure is ideal for power and control. It is what allows the few to influence the many.
A project like Wikipedia is ideal for this purpose. Millions of people turn to it each day. Most of the pages are harmless and cover subjects that provide accurate information.
However, this is not the full picture. Certain pages will be written in such a way that tilts the conversation in the direction desired.
Wikipedia is basically a monopoly. This is the problem. Many feel that it neutral since it is community based. The challenge here is, according to one of the co-founders, it simply is not true.
It is interesting to note that Wikipedia started with the idea of decentralization. The concept of people editing and adding pages was novel. These were not employees. Instead, they were individuals who were interested in providing a database of information for the world to utilize.
And over the years, it did a good job on this end.
However, the one overriding issue is the fact that Wikipedia is centralized. This is true in terms of the infrastructure as well as the corporate structure. It is easy to see how the power mechanism could shift.
To parallel this, we saw the same thing happen with OpenAI. That project was completely hijacked by Microsoft. It started out as an AI project for humanity and now is under the control of one of the largest corporations in the world.
This entire discussion always reverts back to the data. Who is in control of the data? On Hive, the answer is nobody.
Here is why it is the ideal solution for an alternative. Anything that is posted to the database is available for all to use. Since there is transparency, all edits and updates are resident on-chain. Here again, anyone can follow along and see how things were altered over time.
How To Start
Some question how to start. It is rather easy.
Simply set up an account to use to post content around a specific topic. The idea is to have consistency in the way the pages are aligned (meaning the URL). Keep it page aligned in this regard since it is easy to use in the future.
Once the account is set up, start writing content around what you know. If it is the history of Birmingham, then keep adding to the database. Link the different pages together as terms start to appear. This helps the search engines.
If the topic is niche, after a certain number of articles, it will start to rank in the search engine. This starts the process of Hive as a reference center.
Having dozens of people doing this can lay the foundation for something bigger over time. The question is will people start the process?
Once again, Hive provides a solution that is not really offered throughout the rest of the blockchain world.
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How about https://infogalactic.com/info/Main_Page ?
Still based upon the same premise of Wikipedia. Still controlled and centralized in the infrastructure. Certainly they are targeting a separate market but that doesnt mean it will always be the case.
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The platform of Wikipedia is centralised, but with thousands of moderators there may be a range of views. I'm not updated it in a while, but they were strict on things like sources and format. Being neutral on anything political is not so easy, but could Hive do any better? I know a lot of people here have their own biases.
On the technical front, Hive lacks the ability for different people to edit a post so if someone puts up something that others think needs correction then you need the original author to change it and they may not want to.
Personally I think you may overestimate the influence of 'the establishment', whatever that means. Anything involving people will be messy.
Personally Steve i think you vastly underestimate the powers if the establishment (aka #thepowersthatshouldntbe).
i stopped using wikipedia several years ago after finding out how much it censors information vital for humanity.
i just did a quite quick search for something i expected they were censoring, and was correct, but not only censoring, also telling untruths.
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Of course.
Why would someone have to change a post? I think you miss the premise.
As for the biases, certainly they exist on Hive. But that is where anyone building a database means a diversity of ideas unlike an entity like Wikipedia.
Do you think the original author will always get it 'right' (opinions on what that is may vary)?
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Thats really a very interesting idea. Im all up for it as long as everything gets fact checked and free from biases. Which would be the more difficult part to achieve. But if anyone from the developers manages to pull this off then that would be so fantastic. And maybe will give birth to hiveleaks. Hive’s version of wikileaks. Haha.
People are free ro create what they want. Developers are then free to incorporate whatever they want into their front ends.
It's a great idea, a decentralized knowledge base, not responsive to anyone's interests and maintained by the community, would be great.
I see your points about Wilkapedia. I know my kids consider it a truthful resource because it is contributed to by the community. But as point out, and I suspected whenever there are gatekeepers and editors bias and control are in use.
I also see your point about Hive being good for this, but I am having trouble visualizing the indexing. If I start a community called Hive Wilkapedia, and invite people to post there it becomes an open and uneditable source until I get to the indexing.
How does one create an index which is open and unbiased?
I see how a community is open and posts are uneditable. I just want to figure out how to make the information retrivable.
I guess I could create an index post and pin it, but then I become the indexer and barrier to entry. I would not want to introduce my biases either.
I wish there was a way to grow it like a cryptocurrency ledger, existing simaltaneously in hundreds of places and added to an immutable fashion everytime a post is made to the community.
Ideas?
Please make reference to how github works to better visualize a Hive github
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Science is the best source for knowledge and facts. Individuals tend to fall into biases, so it is very hard to establish an encyclopedia that is led by the folk and at the same time free from fallacies.
As far as I know is wikipedia observed by the members that control themselves and the quality is "quiet good".