The Hive Nation: Taking The Network State and Making It In Physical Form
In this video I discuss a framework I am mulling for some time. It is very raw now but it is worthy of discussion. If we are going to truly change society, it is time to think at that level.
There are major demographic issues in many developed countries. This could present opportunities in certain geographic areas.
Right now we have a government that was developed in the physical realm and is interjecting itself (and its tyranny) into the digital. What is we reversed it?
With the Hive nation, we take the digital and start to push it outward. We make the network state the center of the physical instead of the other way around.
As stated it is a mental concept now but worthy of discussion.
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Interesting concept.
Seasteading might be another idea to consider in conjunction with this.
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Thanks for this piece.... Motivating indeed
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Nice to hear you talking about this.
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this is exactly where i think this is all heading. im sure there are many countries and places where connected hiveans can do deals with local authorities to obtain part funding for such ventures even. this has inspired me to go a bit further and really look into this. someone gotta do it.... Im not 100% if ill take this up. but damn im interested right now. ill think on it a little
This idea is ripe, IMHO. I have noted that Hive had all the necessary mechanisms for voluntarist government to be conducted long ago. It has a means of proposing governmental programs, voting on them, and funding them, and forthrightly discussing them at all stages necessary to an HOA. It does not have means of providing security, however, and there are some features of Hive that would be unacceptable on the ground regarding governance, such as pure plutocracy, opinion flagging, and complete dependence on external internet infrastructure, for example.
However, I believe that decentralization of the means of production can make lack of coherent security irrelevant for folks willing to create the means of providing their own security. Along with a network of decentralized makers ability to provide mutually redundant security from gangs of armed thugs are the potential to produce many, if not all, of the blessings of civilization, from food, shelter, and power production, to electronics, communications, and medical services. As decentralized production technologies like aquaponics, 3D printing, solar (and other) power, inkjet printing (which is able to print electronics on PET, including solar, LEDs, and logic circuitry, drugs by assembling molecular subunits, and even living cells), AI (not AGI, or anything more than is available presently, which purged of it's crippling politicization, would be very useful in automating household production, financial assets, even medical diagnostics, and much more) continue to develop, the ability of communities to themselves produce all the blessings of civilization is becoming inescapable.
That holistic capacity will not come without deliberate management and development direction towards that goal, but I am confident that will very rapidly be undertaken, if it's not already by more rational and covert entities. I have researched 3D printing capacity potential to high end machines, and the limitations we associate with such production capacity are largely eliminated when the price of printers exceeds $100k, which is not unreasonable for the potential independence that can provide folks with requisite assets. Relativity Space is 3D printing space ships, and has it's first prototype on the pad today, working out the very difficult process of actually launching it.
One of the more difficult aspects of voluntarist governance that can enable a community to successfully adopt it is political. Pure plutocracy won't work. It's been tried, and is being tried IRL, and we see that rather than forthright cooperation necessary to just governance, plutocratic power politics is a nightmare of duplicity, fraud, and various degrees of parasitism and predation. On Hive we're very sheltered from the bulk of horrendous consequences, but it's difficult to grasp the pathological prosecution of plutocratic power that would absolutely follow Nero's model of acquisition of real property, blockade food to secure capitulation, or force our daughters into prostitution, but it doesn't take long to grasp that other values are more important to societies than mere money.
You are right that the first step to resolving all impediments to achieving rational voluntarist government is to realize it's possible, that we aren't trapped in increasingly deranged legacy political systems, and the incredible paradigm shift ongoing in every field of industry makes it necessary. Overlords hell bent on preserving their wealth and power absolutely will do everything possible to prevent decentralization of the means of production from eliminating their parasitic pipeline to our production.
Thanks!
I've already seen some interesting replies to this and this one hits on one of the first things that came to mind as I was watching the video, which is, How would we protect physical property if the local government decided to take up arms and come for us? This is my primary concern regarding the sea steading suggestion @trostparadox mentioned above. It seems like this is an endeavor that would have to take place somewhat under the protection of a major government to secure the safety required to really get a foot hold somewhere... which obviously defeats the purpose, lol. Very interesting discussion around this concept. I'm looking forward to others' replies.
The protection of physical property will always be an issue, no matter where you are. Either you rely on the government to provide 'protection' (which can also include coercion), or you provide it yourself.
The advantage of seasteading is that, by virtue of existing international treaties, you can be or organize your own protective defensive force, if you are in international waters.
Check out The Seasteading Institute.
Here is their FAQ page.
Yes, I agree, but I was speaking from a best place to begin perspective, and I think sea steading in international waters would require too much priority on security for a fledgling project like this, whereas hiding it in plain site, so to speak, might offer early advantages due to having the structure already in place. Ultimately I agree, sea steading would be a viable option. I just think a transplant to it might be favorable to starting from scratch. These are only preliminary thoughts, though. I may come to see things differently with more discussion and new info to consider.
I recall a few years ago a couple built a home on international waters, near Thailand, and was simply taken out by the Thai government. Without nominal security, or any organization to avail them, that's the last time I heard of them.
Liberland may have some relationships solitary households do not that can avail folks some security from violence, by gangs of thugs from any source. Some security obviously is necessary, because it is all too obvious predatory entities exist.
I haven't spoken with Vít Jedlička since 2018, so I'm not sure about the current status of Liberland.
As of 2018, Croatian forces were routinely and forcibly evicting or detaining any Liberland citizens trying to visit their 'homeland'.
The information I was availed most recently was of the opening of Liberland offices in Mexico after Anarchapulco, from Jeff Berwick's vlog. More than that I do not know.
My preferred route to sovereign clay would not start with the clay, but first would involve creating suitable networks of folks that are developing necessary productive capacity. Means of security from gangs of armed thugs are potential, if cryptic.
I may have mentioned this before, but several years ago I came across something called Block Nation (maybe Bit Nation), which endeavored to build exactly what you're talking about, but I haven't kept up with it, and don't know how it has fared, but still agree it's a great idea.
How would you imagine something like this would start? Would we use the DHF to build revenue generating businesses, and then build the community around them, or do you think a pilgrimage, wherein a handful of Hivians set out to break ground, and others trickle in is more viable? How would we incentivize people to move to this place? Would we like to have a single location to build out from, or would we approach it from a decentralized angle and set up shop in several locations scattered across the globe? I feel like I have a lot more questions, but this is a decent start to get some dialog going on the topic.
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Summary:
In this video transcript, Task discusses his evolving theory of creating a Hive Nation, a concept that extends beyond the idea of a networked state to a physical rendition. He delves into the ongoing demographic challenges faced by several countries which result in the abandonment of rural areas. Task proposes the idea of Hiveans populating these deserted regions, supported by the Hive ecosystem and technologies like Starlink. He envisions a governance system powered by blockchain, particularly referring to Hive, allowing for democratic processes on a local level. Task emphasizes the importance of integrating the digital world's concepts into the physical realm to build a self-sustaining economy and infrastructure supported by blockchain technology.
Detailed Article:
Task presents a thought-provoking concept of establishing a Hive Nation, a departure from the traditional nation-state model towards decentralized, digitally-influenced governance. He discusses the demographic crisis affecting various countries, leading to rural abandonment and economic decline. Task highlights how the Hive ecosystem can potentially revitalize these areas by attracting like-minded individuals and integrating digital technologies like Starlink for connectivity and support.
The idea of Hiveans moving into these regions to form a Hive Nation sets the stage for a new form of governance, facilitated by blockchain technology such as Hive. This enables a decentralized decision-making process through voting and democratic principles within the Hive ecosystem. Task visualizes the extension of digital governance into the physical world, creating a cohesive network where economic activities are intertwined with digital infrastructure.
Task emphasizes the importance of building a self-sustaining economy in these regions, supported by digital networks and enhanced by Hive's blockchain capabilities. The integration of services like food production, distribution, and essential utilities forms the backbone of this new societal model. By tokenizing and registering assets on the blockchain, Task envisions a secure and transparent system where individual sovereignty is preserved.
Moreover, Task advocates for a shift towards big-picture thinking in the realm of Web 3.0, urging individuals to focus on societal transformation rather than just profit-making ventures like creating new apps. He stresses the potential for revolutionary change through decentralized finance (DeFi) and liquidity pools, emphasizing the creation of abundance without central control or extraction by traditional institutions.
Task’s vision extends beyond a single geographical location, proposing a mental framework that could serve as a blueprint for scaling the Hive Nation concept across various regions. His call to action encourages viewers to ponder the possibilities of creating a new form of governance that prioritizes individual freedom and digital sovereignty, ultimately aiming for a paradigm shift in societal construction.
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