Should Curation Be View-Based on Hive?
One of the first users I followed and one of my biggest supporters on Hive wrote about having one of his posts be the most viewed for the day on peakD. I was not surprised that this user works hard every day, writing reviews of restaurants, products, and even hotels on Hive, and the majority of those external views make their way back to Hive.
He has been an intentional creator, and it has paid off. Why? It is a no-brainer: He is the type of creator who focuses on SEO and hopes to bring us back some views here.
It was one of my goals while looking for airdrops. To gain feedback on Hive, I conducted extensive reviews of Hamster Kombat and other popular trendy Airdrops.
I am not good at SEO, but when I am targeting a popular topic, I use some keywords that are frequently mentioned on Twitter, because many people may be searching for these keywords on Google.
It is not surprising that many people want Hive to succeed while others want it to fail. There are those who are unconcerned about their actions or the consequences.
Intentional creators are those who want to direct their actions for the benefit of the chain. It is simple: when people have too much to lose, they do everything they can to avoid losing, whereas the opposite is true.
Now, this person made an important suggestion: Should curation be view-based?
I have come across some really good content out there, and sometimes I vote just to let the creator know that I saw the post; it may be insignificant, but two to ten cents added to two dollars is quite significant to some extent.
Curation cannot be based on Hive views due to the reward model that is naturally imbued in the core. Stakeholders are in charge of Curation, which automatically distributes the reward pool to individual creators.
Curators are sentimental.
They are humans with friendships, connections, preferences, and emotions. Unless we have Curation proxies and ninja-mined accounts, Curation will be difficult to base on views.
Now, hive needs individual investors who believe they have control over their stake and can direct where it goes. Stake owners are the most powerful entities on Hive, and this is due to the decentralization pattern; any individual can decide governance and influence the reward pool only if they own what is most important: Hive.
Owning what matters improves the network's value and, as a result, the price. It is how the network maintains its traction.
Web2 excels at delivering view-based rewards. Unfortunately, we are not big on advertising; in fact, one of the main goals of this blockchain is to make the system ad-free. However, many arguments have emerged claiming that we no longer need to adhere to this core because we require a large amount of external revenue.
Ad revenue is a multi-million-dollar business, and while we do not have the numbers to make a lot of money from generating ads, if Hive decides to generate revenue through ads with the various frontends, the revenue may not be as bad.
However, if we decide to go against the grain and violate privacy by incorporating ads and generating revenue, view-based Curation will become a reality.
However, overhauling the entire system is difficult, so the only way for view-based Curation to work is to blend it with the existing form of curation. Perhaps the generated revenue will be combined with the rewards of those who generate the views. I am not sure how this would really work.
I am not a smart person, but I do know that for curation to be based on views, there must be an external incentive or a higher intrinsic value generated by a post that a potential curator sees.
Second Option
Another option is to use a model to recommend posts with the most views to potential curators. This way, people with the most views have a chance to receive additional curation from what they originally created on their post within the seven-day payout. However, the seven-day payout system may have a flaw.
In Conclusion
Hive can easily instill any model it wants; we have the smartest people who can do so. We must acknowledge that Hive requires external revenue in one form or another, and ad revenue can provide it. However, it is not a widely discussed topic because the big boys are not talking about it.
The same is true for the valueplan debate; it has not been widely discussed, so it is not an emergency or priority issue.
Having ads however can negate privacy to an extent, but it can generate revenue to buy back hive off the market.
However, this tinkering may appear to be a centralized move, but many people are unconcerned at the moment as long as we generate some revenue. If ads are introduced on Hive, view-based curation will become viable.
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The problem with frontends pushing certain posts up based on views is that there is no good correlation between views and content quality. Posts from authors with good networks have more views, regardless of the quality. Hopefully they write good posts and that is the reason they have many followers, but it is not a given. And good posts from authors with few followers will still be overlooked.
You're right and I didn't think about this. I think people automatically feels that good posts will have good views and any post with gold views will be quality. I think on web2, any post with views is considered quality.
I think it still boils down on the fact that individual and users needs to build their following to get traction, just like it'll equally be impossible to get a lot of views on a new account on let's say YouTube.
True, but it will become more centralized. Generating revenue to buy back Hive would be great, but getting everyone to agree is going to be a tough sell. Plus the value plan didn't get much discussion, just more spending. It's definitely an option, but getting enough people to agree will be a tough sell I think... But I'm no guru on this stuff either, so I don't really know how it would be done...
Getting people to agree is always an issue on Hive and that's why we're always slow to get things done here. It's why the Valueplan issues still lingers and may continue to.
In reality we need the external revenue for Hive and I think it might be worth it, I mean whatever we sacrifice
I'm starting to think we do too...
We do need it, imagine if it could pay for valueplans expenses that it has incurred over the years.
That would help immensely, debt is an anchor around the neck of Hive dragging it down...
I think doing this will push content creators to be more active. I mean the more work you put in getting that views, the more upvotes for you. But on the other hand, some quality posts might end up not getting noticed.
Unfortunately if ad revenues do not become a thing here, it will certainly not work, because there has to be an incentivization to propel view based Curation
Well, if we want to become a mainstream platform in the sense that only the top creators get paid, we should curate by views. That might bring in some influencers on Hive that would get the majority of the rewards because they'd have the guaranteed views for their Hive content. Maybe that's what is desired, I don't know...
I really don't know too, but someone left a comment saying even the curation by view can be manipulated or it can be flawed
It certainly can be manipulated. Views can easily be inflated artificially.
Hmmmm true indeed some folks curate post for friendships and connections even if the post is not quality. All the same curation is also something that adds value and encourage each author, so it is also very important in the chain
That's why I said curators are sentimental people, sometimes it's not quality or anything it's just sheer connection
Exactly
Interesting ! We can take the web2 as reference … views counts a bit but what matters are still likes , thumbs up etc for getting money or even to get more spotlights… but like one of the comments above said… many views also doesn’t mean quality! But it is a good debate to bring to hive!
You're right. I think it's one angle a lot or people haven't considered. views might not translate to quality, but sometimes it might, on Hive. Perhaps 50% of the time. However it won't work anyway, unless we decide to start tinkering with a lot of things
It's an interesting question, but I honestly don't think it works. I have a feeling that we would get a lot of bait posts like what X would have. I think the 2nd choice works out better because people can still choose how to they want to vote.
The second choice works better for me too, and like you've said, some people will only choose to actually choose to write posts to get that view. It'll become view farming
Just like it is practise on web2 space, don't you think if curation is based on views then The Number of folllwers one has becomes a necessity
The 7-Day time window for upvotes just makes it hard to make it view-based as viewers need to come in quickly while if a post goes viral later down the line it wouldn't benefit from it. Also, there is the question of how easy it is to fake views. There is also a reason why the view counter on posts was removed on Hive. The reality also is that a lot is just a big circle jerk as most on hive (including myself) are mostly interested and read content about Hive itself.
I'm definitely all for users on Hive who drive traffic to the site to get rewarded for it one way or another. Right now the way the system works there is no real incentive or benefit for anyone to really put effort in this. Rewards on posts will show no difference if you put crazy effort sharing it everywhere (Twitter/Reddit/Discord/Telegram/Forums/...)
You're right, but I do feel that if frontend on Hive has ads then maybe views on posts will become relevant, if not the views itself is not relevant whatsoever.
However I've seen creators drive some food traffic with review posts and all that, inasmuch as this might not have intrinsic value, I think it's actually commendable, and there's nothing wrong with putting constant exposure to what we have here our there.
In any case, these are all speculations and will probably not work any time soon.
Thanks for the input