Decentralised Exchanges?
So, in the aftermath of FTX and all the confusion about which CEX is solvent or not.... and how far and long the contagion of Luna/3AC, Greyscale and all the interlinked dominoes goes... there has been more and more talk about DEXs (decentralised Exchanges) replacing the use of CEXs (centralised exchanges). I have written about this before and the adoption of non-custodial (self controlled) wallets before... and I'm still not completely convinced that this is the way of the near term future, and of the mass adoption of cryptocurrencies in general.
Now, before I get flamed by crypto "purists"... I still hold to the ideological and idealistic view that people SHOULD self-custody and operate more on DEXs instead of trusting others to hold their digital assets. However, I'm also tainted by a streak of realism as well... and I know that people (at least in this day and age, perhaps it is different in the future) LIKE to have SOMEONE ELSE to be responsible for losses (but like to take personal credit for gains...)...
I mean, take the "Karen" meme that has been so prevalent in the last few years... this is so viral as there is definitely some sense of truth in there, people WANT to be able to complain to SOMEONE... someone who will fix their problems, and absolve themselves of responsibility completely. Of course, the usage of DEXs is not that difficult... and relatively secure self-custody is also relatively easy with hardware wallets. However, we are again talking about mass adoption... and not the adoption by people who are already familiar with the surface workings of cryptocurrency. I mean, if you just think back to the time that you first discovered cryptocurrency and had to learn so much to get to where you are now... don't delude yourself, you had to learn A LOT! Much of the decentralised ethos is completely foreign to the way that we do things in the rest of the world... many new ideas and habits to learn... sometimes at a slightly higher than necessary cost!
So, self custody... hmmm... one very relevant thought at the moment. How many people have decent digital hygiene with regards to their password/username and just general internet behaviour at the moment. Nearly zero... it is really a huge mess, and every time that I talk to people about it... I'm a touch astounded and terrified by both the lack of care or knowledge there is about the whole digital footprint thing!... and we expect people to be able to back up and protect seed phrases? Yep, good luck with that...
... and then add to that the problem of people just signing anything and everything! In the non-crypto digital world... how many people still fall for phishing and link click scams? Add to that, the desire to click every QR code in existence? Given that there are a huge number of dodgy crypto sites... and very few trusted ones, and most people can't really tell the difference one way or the other... well, the number of Ape holders (who are more in line with the "normal" digital security user profiles) that have been scammed should already give us a hint as to how successful that will be.
So, DEXs... yes, especially on Ethereum and the associated L2s. It is still a wild place, but there are more trusted dApps there. But Ethereum has such a bad reputation of high fees (that has even infected some perceptions of the L2s) that people get driven to alt-L1s that are highly speculative in nature (maybe Cosmos is different?) and somewhat dodgy in practice.
Anyway... yes, DEXs... but they aren't the complete solution for the whole population. It is too idealistic and completely impractical. Same for complete self-custody as it stands (although, multi-sigs like Argent could work...).... So, we need better CEXs that are regulated and serve more like FULLY collateralised banks. It is quite strange that more and more, I start to think that Coinbase is a good counterbalance to Binance.... these are my two goto exchanges at the moment. Who knows... they are quite different in nature, and at the moment the only way to get exposure to Coinbase is via the US stock exchange, which I think I will do later in the New Year.
Yes DEXs, if you dare... but CEXs aren't finished yet. But they do need a great deal of reformation! And dare I say it, regulation (and enforcement).
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Thanks for the insightful post Bengy! 😊
I think there is space for centralized exchanges at this nascent time of cryptocurrency. Better regulation would help the average get exposure to cryptocurrency. My own first experience with attempting a centralized exchange was abysmal, and I happily moved on to a decentralized exchange (namely, Bisq).
Decentralized exchanges will hopefully be the way of the future for more people. Those who suffered at the hands of centralized ones are more likely to use and advocate for decentralized ones - as long as they function as promised and are easy to use. Those are two factors holding us back at this time. Cryptocurrency is not nearly as easy as fiat!
Innovators will improve these issues with time. There are many brilliant minds working on this as we speak. The future remains bright.
Ah Bisq? Bitcoin and fiat only? I guess that was something similar to replace the sneaker-net of localbitcoins?
I think that the main problem of DEXs lies partly in their relative complexity, but more in the general apathy of the population. Maybe that will change...
Yes, Bisq was my initial pathway to start in cryptocurrency, being that Bitcoin was the big-sticker item with the most "trust." It's mostly based on fiat and Bitcoin but I think there were some further extensions in the cryptocurrencies it supports. Frankly its current setup is quite amazing; the escrow model is highly successful.
Yes, I think the general apathy of the population is also a large factor. People don't tend to heed warnings until an issue affects them directly. The entire debacle with FTX is likely to be viewed by the majority in one of two ways, depending on the media presentation and on people's knowledge: 1) Centralization is bad, or 2) Cryptocurrency is bad. I'm hoping for the former, but frankly expecting the latter.
Have to agree with you about that last bit... there was a huge amount of Crypto was the cause of all of this... and Binance did it. Sigh... fraud and theft is what did it!
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Why you promote binance?
First off that company was meddling in the blockchain takeover which resulted in Hive being created. Plus it is obviously a scam that has not only been involved in that situation but also now in this FTX collapse it was binance that started all this in the blackmail and fraud that was going down with Sam bankman fried...
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Binance is still by far and away the largest by volume CEX, and so far, I would still say a net good for the ecosystem... not great that so much power is concentrated though. The Steem/Hive issue highlighted a problem with the consensus model of Steem... and that has been partially fixed as far as I understand. Blockchains NEED to be resilient against this, and not plead goodwill/wishes for survival. Sure, it was a little bit dodgy what happened (and it is still unclear whether Binance was directly involved or just fooled...)... but I don't blame Binance for what happened.
Binance and FTX... don't fall for the FTX/SBF blame shifting. It was ALL upon FTX/SBF, a tweet by a rival exchange shouldn't bring another exchange down if there wasn't funny business going on.
If you are talking about Hive-Engine, yes... that is a nice decentralised option for HIVE users... but apart from that specialisation, the volume and liquidity are kindly described as a little bit small. They aren't currently serious options for global adoption at the moment. They are definitely useful for HIVE users.
Number one finance absolutely needs to look into the numbers because binance lost a massive amount as customers withdrew billions even in this down market. Big moves.
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And there's no way in hell that you're going to tell me that CZ helped out Justin for free. That's just not the way it goes and then with Justin now being involved in this entire FTX scandal...
Absolutely there's no way CZ didn't know about the entire hostile takeover with Justin Sun buyout and backhand deals. As well as it being extremely clear and even thrown out in Congress that because of this was blackmail and a hostile attack from one rival to the other and deliberately market dumping these tokens...
That tweet and the action is what caused it the tweet alone might have caused a lot of speculation but the deliberate Mark dumping directly involves them and this most likely is going to eliminate United States regulation acceptance for binance if they survived the coming boycott of cryptocurrency enthusiasts.
Basically it could be that we are seeing digital banking consolidation like the Rothschild family or other banking interests.
We have the future to look at and now binance got caught. It's completely out in the Senate.
Come on. Absolutely the entire crypto world needs to boycott binance.
Once again centralized exchanges are proving themselves to be a bigger situation and more of a liability of the common users.
I've had people look at me and say that I was completely crazy for not having a FTX account and putting everything that I had into them.
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I think we need more CEX that can be trusted and most importantly the industry must have their own standards that they can set so that they have a plan incase something happens.
Yes, it isn't enough to preach decentralisation and ignore the fact that will still need trusted entities for most people... at least in the short to medium term.
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The FTX have made me realize that keeping cryptos with centralized exchanges is not even advisable...that is why they say experience is a teacher..
Yes, but not everyone is comfortable with doing that! In fact, I would say that most people aren't really...
Not sure what the answer is, not a huge fan of KYC and the SEC, but it's what we got right now. Coinbase has yet to fail me tho.
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Yes, the KYC is a bit of a pain... but again, the target isn't so much the more savvy crypto users, but those who manage to fall for bank scams and reuse passwords everywhere.